Let’s ask Aaron Burr if the President is immune from prosecution

A guest blog post from Hoyce McGurgle

I find it awfully interesting that there is so much discussion about the ludicrous claims Donald Trump and his lawyers are making about him essentially having total immunity because he used to be President of the United States. Full disclosure, I’m not a lawyer, but I do have a degree in History and I feel like a pretty important precedent was set on this kind of thing already in our history. Gather ‘round, folks. It’s story time!

Let me tell you a tale about a member of the executive branch at the highest levels of power blatantly committing the highest of crimes and facing the consequences for it. No, I’m not talking about Richard Nixon — he wisely bowed to reality and resigned before being hit by that particular legal freight train. No, there’s an even better precedent in our nation’s history. We need to go back waaay further than the Nixon Era though. All the way to 1804, in fact. I’m talking about Aaron Burr. 

Most folks today know who Aaron Burr was because of the spectacular musical Hamilton. Or, if they’re old enough, perhaps from a famous Got Milk commercial that was aired a lot in the 90’s. But a lot of history nerds like me already knew about him. For those who have somehow missed the musical (you’d be forgiven for missing or forgetting about the commercial) a brief recap. 

This is what Burr really looked like, although history doesn’t record what his singing voice was like or whether he smiled more and talked less

Aaron Burr was an orphaned scion of a rather well respected family. He served in the Revolutionary war and was considered a bonafide war hero. After the revolution he went into the legal profession and, eventually, politics where he ran in the election of 1800 against Thomas Jefferson to be the third President of the United States. He lost, of course, which is why you’ve never heard of President Burr. However, back then the Constitution called for the runner up in the Presidential Election to be Vice President under the guy who had just beaten him. (As an aside, even the Founding Fathers realized this maybe wasn’t the best idea and it was promptly amended in time for the election of 1804.)

Vice President Burr was awfully salty about his loss and blamed Alexander Hamilton for it, as Hamilton had supported Jefferson in the election despite the fact that the two had always been political enemies. This was compounded when Burr, realizing Jefferson would not select him to be his running mate under the new VP selection process, ran for Governor of New York and was defeated, thanks again in part to Hamilton. This naturally led to the famous duel where on July 11, 1804, a sitting United States Vice President shot a man and killed him (probably with less singing involved than Lin-Manuel Miranda implied, though). It was the 18th century equivalent of standing on Fifth Avenue and shooting a man. 

And so it came to be that the Vice President of the United States became a fugitive. The states of New Jersey (where the duel took place) and New York (where Hamilton subsequently died) both issued warrants for the arrest of Burr, who decided it would be a fine time to visit his daughter in South Carolina for an extended period of time. Burr would go on to be officially indicted by a New Jersey grand jury. 

Burr never saw trial for the death of Hamilton though because he still had enough friends in high places to pull strings and because there was a legal complication of the circumstances. New York had strict laws against dueling, but the duel had taken place in New Jersey which didn’t. Not to mention that by this point, three years had passed and Burr was facing a whole heap of new legal trouble and had been arrested for his part in a conspiracy to secure a chunk of American and Mexican territory and proclaim it as a new nation backed by England. So, in the face of actual treason, the legally complicated murder trial was just kind of forgotten about. 

All this is to say that it seems pretty clear by Burr’s legal woes that the answer to the question of “can the highest levels of executive power be held responsible for crimes committed” is a pretty clear and definitive “YES.” Burr was subject to arrest, indictment, and trial for crimes committed as Vice President AND after he left office. The only time any arguments of executive privilege came up was in Burr’s treason trial when the defense wanted documents from President Jefferson’s administration and Jefferson cited Executive Privilege … and lost! Justice John Marshall famously denied Jefferson’s claim and ordered the president to supply the requested documents.

At no point did anyone claim that Burr should have immunity for crimes he committed while in office or afterwards just because he used to be Vice President. In fact, Justice Marshall’s ruling that Jefferson had to produce the subpoenaed documents was specifically viewed as setting the precedent that the President himself is not above the law and needs to accede to the judiciary. 

And it’s not like a whole lot of interpretation of the Constitution was left to guesswork back in those days. There wasn’t a whole lot of “oh, what did the Framers mean when they wrote this?” This was 1807, the Framers of the Constitution were still alive (the biggest hint of that is the fact that the guy who wrote the Declaration of Independence was President at the time.) Surely they’d have chimed in with their two cents if the interpretation wasn’t what they intended. Or even changed things afterwards like they did with the process of electing a Vice President!

The arrests and trial of Aaron Burr told us 220 years ago everything we need to know about the ludicrous claims of immunity for Donald Trump today. No one is above the law, no matter what their office. Period.

I’m just hoping that nobody tries to write a hip-hop musical about this mess though because the thought of someone rapping in Trump-speak is making my brain hurt. 

Hoyce is a Boston-based transplant from the Pocono Mountains. Although he has a degree in History with an emphasis in Political Science, most of his writing tends to be for fantasy gaming or occasional posts on Facebook. 

Trump not immune

A federal appeals court ruled unanimously today that Trump is not immune from criminal prosecution for crimes committed while in office.

The reason this sets a precedent is because never in the history of this country have we had a President who was charged with crimes committed while in office. I am sure if the Founders ever thought in their wildest dreams this was a possibility, they would have added something into the Constitution making it clear that Presidents are not above the law for crimes they commit.

To put it in more legal terms: Duh.

Trump’s support isn’t as great as you may think

In a sense, this election will be between two incumbents. When an incumbent runs in a primary, it’s rare any real challenges pop up. Biden has a few minor opponents, both of whom are struggling to get more than a few points in the polls.

Compare that to Trump. As an “incumbent,” he should be getting 98% of the vote in his primaries. Instead, last night at the Iowa caucus, he got 51%.

His party is not behind him as much as he thinks it is. And that’s good for us. Maybe some of the people in his party who don’t support him won’t show up at the polls in November.

cartoon by Gary Varvel

Black and white distinction

Republicans: “Those protestors blocking the road and kneeling during football games while saying ‘Black Lives Matter’ are unAmerican and should be arrested!”

Also Republicans: “Look at those tourists entering the Capitol on January 6th to express their views to Congress! What patriots!”

Trump and the 14th Amendment

The 14th Amendment was passed just after the Civil War and has a provision that no one ever thought would be relevant any more:

“No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”

This is now an issue because many groups are fighting to keep Trump off the ballot for this very reason.

It’s clear that he has “engaged in insurrection” — and if you don’t believe that, just stop reading now because you’re a hopeless cause. But that isn’t the end of the discussion. There are lots of unanswered questions, and decisions haven’t been consistent.

The Supreme Court in Colorado recently said that Trump would be removed from the primary ballots because of this, but they acknowledged that the US Supreme Court will ultimately make that decision — something that doesn’t fill a lot of us with hope, especially given that one of the chief architects of the insurrection is the wife of one of the justices.

But this certainly raises some interesting legal questions, such as:

Does this apply to the President? The amendment doesn’t say specifically, although you’d have to ask why would they leave the President out? Is the President an “office of the United States”? If so, then the President is included. But we don’t know for sure, and as you can guess, Trump’s lawyers are doing everything they can to argue this loophole.

Can the Courts tell parties how they can run their primaries? Parties set their own primaries and primaries aren’t mentioned anywhere in the Constitution. Maybe because the states still run the primaries (state employees are the ones who sit at the polls, after all) the argument is that therefore the states can regulate the primaries — but that is also not clear.

Who decides someone is an insurrectionist? As I said before (and as Biden said today), it’s blatantly obvious that Trump was trying to illegally overturn an election. He clearly fits the profile. But he has not yet been found guilty of that. Perhaps we need Congress to officially declare him as an insurrectionist.

Who defines what it means to “engage in insurrection”? The Colorado Supreme Court pointed out that Trump gave a speech and encouraged the actions, did nothing to stop them, and hasn’t backed down since. Giving a speech to encourage violence is not protected under the 1st Amendment no matter what the idiots who Trump hires as lawyers say. But who knows what the Supreme Court will say?

Remember, the bottom line is this (as I emphasized in my book about the Constitution): The meaning of that document is whatever the current Supreme Court says. A different court could read the exact same document and come to a completely opposite decision (see Roe v. Wade).

So to get the answers to these questions, we’ll just have to wait and see what our corrupt, awful Supreme Court majority of members who were appointed by Presidents who lost the popular vote have to say about it.

I am not optimistic, no matter how clear it seems to me.

If Trump is immune to all laws…

The Supreme Court has been asked to determine whether Presidents and ex-Presidents are above the law and completely immune to criminal prosecution.

This has never been before the Court in our entire history, but that may be because, I dunno, we’ve never had a President charged with multiple felonies before.

If the Supreme Court agrees with Trump, then I guess it sets a precedent.

Biden: “Great! FBI, get rid of Trump and oh, the entire cast of Fox News. What are you gonna do? I’m immune!”

These idiots never consider the fact that anything they get like this works for us as well. “Oh, you think the Vice President can just nullify an election? Wonderful! Kamala, nullify all the Republicans who just got re-elected to the House.”

cartoon by Adam Zyglis

Things Trump said over the weekend

As a defendant, Donald Trump has the right to remain silent.

He just doesn’t have the ability.

This weekend, he did an interview on Face the Nation where he admitted that he had been told by lawyers that there was no election fraud, but he ignored them and proudly proclaimed that he pushed the fake election lies anyway.

“You know who I listened to? Myself,” Trump said, explaining why he ignored the advice of people who know stuff.

Then later he criticized Biden for being out of touch, claiming that Biden would lead us into “World War Two.” That is not a typo. That’s what he said. In that same speech, he proudly proclaimed that in the polls for 2024 that he was ahead of “Obama” (who, of course, is not running) and then bragged about the “fact” that he had beaten Obama in 2016. (I shouldn’t have to remind you that his opponent in 2016 was Hillary Clinton, right?) He then claimed in another interview that he didn’t know that someone had given Dr. Fauci the Presidential Award. (It was him. He gave Fauci the award.)

Yes, this is the man who claims Biden is “cognitively impaired.”

But he didn’t stop there.

He celebrated Rosh Hashanah by tweeting a graphic claiming he had done wonderful things for the Jewish people while berating the vast majority who never voted for him: “A reminder for liberal Jews who voted to destroy America & Israel because you believed false narratives! Let’s hope you learned from your mistake & make better choices moving forward!” Trump thinks if you didn’t vote for him, you are in support of “destroying America and Israel.” Remember that, my Jewish friends: Trump may constantly push standard anti-semitic conspiracy theories while claiming that Nazis and Klan members contain “good people” but he’s really on your side — you’re just too stupid to realize it.

I will give him credit for one thing, though: At the end of his tweet where he proclaims he’s done so much for Israel (as if that’s the only issue American Jews care about), he states that he is “Clearly, one of the greatest Anti Semites of our time!”

So I guess he does say the truth every once in a while.

A majority supports Trump’s arrest

Polls show that a majority of Americans support Trump being arrested, think the arrests are fair, and think he should go to jail if convicted.

This includes a majority of independents, who are needed to win any election.

But the GOP lives in a bubble, and they only talk to each other, and they all think Trump is popular among Americans.

I remember pointing this out to a Trump person on Facebook a while ago who said something similar. “No,” I replied. “A majority voted against him the first time; he never even reached a 50% approval rating his entire term; he lost the House and the Senate; and then he lost his second election by an even larger margin. He has never been supported by a majority of Americans.” I was unfriended immediately despite everything I said being true and not controversial.

Trump posts “Never Surrender” immediately after surrendering

That’s the ticket

According to the Trump indictment, his co-conspirators working on the alternative electors scheme referred to them as “fake” electors in conversations and e-mails among themselves.

Ha! “No, Your Honor, were absolutely sincere in our beliefs that these electors were valid and that we weren’t trying to commit any sort of election fraud. We just called them ‘fake’ because, uh, that stands for ‘Federally Available Kind Electors.’ Yeah, that’s the ticket.”

Trump: “Make me dictator”

Here’s a former President of the United States claiming that there was massive fraud (there wasn’t, and interviews have shown that he knows that) claiming we should terminate “all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution” in order to chuck democracy and name him dictator.

Trumpies don’t care about the laws or our Constitution (except the 2nd Amendment, which they constantly misinterpret). They’re perfectly fine with having a dictator in charge, as long as it’s their dictator.

Can you imagine how Republicans would scream if a Democrat suggested suspending the Constitution in order to have them named President after they lost an election?

What a sad state our country has become, where a large percentage of our population claims to be patriotic while supporting the most unpatriotic thoughts imaginable.